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I totally disagree with you. As a Christian, I found this film to be propaganda for naturalism. For example, the aliens were given the power of omniscience (they whispered to the girl future events), and the end scene in "the garden of Eden" communicated to me the theory that things started on earth in a similar way...beings were planted here by aliens. Aliens are the savior in this movie, not God. I'm surprised no attempt was made to explain John's insights of Revelation as something received by aliens. In this day and age, you can't be subtle about the Christian message. If Jesus is the Way, don't make aliens the hero.
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I enjoyed this movie.....
for me honestly ... Alien or superhuman being are the same...and super human being is GOD for me...
open your eyes guys ... read the story of the prophets and the bible! look on their pictures maybe u can understand, dig people.. and btw look on the NASA site too... we are approaching the maximum sunspot by 2011...
u know when they go to the dead woman's house with their children and find out that EE means everyone else? There was a picture with a being with 4 animal heads and a person in the sky? That's a reference from the book of Ezekiel in the Bible. I'm assuming that the so called "aliens" that you are all talking about are the angels with the 4 animal heads. hence there were 4 beings that took the children to some where. That whole space ship looking thing was probably brought in to make it look more factual rather than having angels just magically teleporting them off to somewhere. If you look up any books about the book of Ezekiel, you will absolutely find old pictures of what people thought it would have looked like as it described in the Bible. The whole big ass rotating space ship thing that you see in the movie looks like the pictures shown in some books about the book of Ezekiel. seriously, who cares if this is a propaganda for naturalism or for christians? just like the protagonist said, believe what you want to believe. Its just a movie, interpret it the way you want to see it as, thats all you gota do...
I agree with you for the most part, but "The Reverent One" above said the "people who created this thing are truly enlightened and understand what it means to be a fisher of men in today’s world." I was challenging this viewpoint. I would not, as a Christian, use this film to promote Christianity, so it's in this context I wrote what I did.
Seems very shallow and not very well thought out.
Wow I thought it was okay, but even as a person who reads the bible, I didn't think it was a fabulous way to evangalize to folks. Most people in the world haven't even read Ezekial 1 prior to this.
A ending that stayed true to Ezekial 1 BUT also very Hollywood if you ask me.
By no means did I recognize it as much as I did AFTER I re-read Ezekial 1, but it is straight from the bible. To call that a lack of religious aspects is wrong.
it was good until the end
it left many questions unanswered
pretty ridiculous ending.
Saw it this evening and it was certainly the worst effort I have seen in the last 5 years. DREADFUL.
The acting was absolutely awful. Cage is usually great but here he is embarrassing - when he drops to his knees in front of the space ship he looked like an idiot.
The editing was also dreadful.
Hollywood garbage pure and simple.
Wooden acting and the boy was badly cast ..... could not act for toffee.
Cage has done 2 pig movies now - Knowing and the Wickerman. Poor sod.
Thank God it only cost £6 for the ticket. The popcorn was ok though.
I will add my two cents about the aliens versus angels issue and the naturalism versus Christianity topic...
To me, it seemed clear that the "whisperers" were angels. I thought that from the first moment they appeared in the movie as men. There are many references in scripture of angels appearing sometimes as men. And there are, likewise, many references to them being fearful creatures that strike terror (note the scene where the Nicholas Cage character chased the angel into the woods and what happened when the angel/man opened his mouth). They have also been referred to as creatures of light. What many have described as aliens in the film, I saw as such "creatures of light". And they very clearly had wings (though not in a child like fairy tale fashion). And personally, I do not find the "space ship" vehicles to be in conflict with this. After all, if the "angels" were removing the two children and all the paired animals to another planet, would they not need some kind of vehicle with which to do so (rather than simply spiritually teleporting them)?
As for the larger issue of whether or the film was a religious message or some kind of naturalism propaganda, I think the reality is that it was neither. Take a look at an interview of the movie's author, Ryne Pearson: http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/newsdesk... . Pearson happens to be a devout Catholic. Yet, by his own account, he did not intend for his movie script to be religious, per say. He did, however, intend to evoke thought about the issue of "Is there something after this?". And speaking of the movie's director, Alex Proyas, Pearson says, "he's not creating a message movie, he's leaving it to interpretation. He's giving you the playing field and you take away what you want from it, which I think is absolutely brilliant." (Maybe this is why there are such opposing viewpoints on this movie.)
Yes, I would have liked to see a more specific reference to God and Jesus as they relate to end of times prophesy and the salvation of mankind. But, as Pearson said, he was not intending to write a script that was specifically religious.
In my opinion, a movie is a good one when it is thought provoking and when those thoughts stick with you long after the movie. For me, this movie did both.
DITTO... In order to effectively reach your audience, one must speak from the perspective or position of the hearer without compromising TRUTH.
I shall explain about your "aliens." Oh, yeah... Stop using the "A" word, because it's offensive to outsiders. No, I'm not some insane conspiracy theory guy, before you attempt to think that, without any relevant evidence of your allegations.
Explanation: First off, before reading this, do at least an hour of research on "Pleiadians," or "Plejarens." Also, "Reptilians," or as you know, the "lizard people." At the end, when they came down, they were all in black. They had blonde hair, in which the Pleiadians have. YOU all know them as "angels," but that is not quite what the Pleiadians are. What was that when they came out of those physical bodies? Those were LIGHT bodies/spiritual bodies, and they also had wings, because a higher dimensional form (depending on which dimension) has greater wings. Once again, depends on how powerful. They took them off to a planet. Possibly in a higher dimension.
NOTE: Even my Christian sister, who used to go to church ALL of the time, mentioned to me about the fields, or wheat fields. I had no clue what she meant, but it was something in the bible. The children were running in wheat fields at the end.
In veridical facts, when they DO come down, the race in which comes down first, will be the Reptilians (most likely, because I heard in the bible the False Prophet comes first), and they shall appear as Pleiadians, but shall not be.
Now, ask yourself... Ok, I comprehend when it says Jesus will come back, but do you seriously believe he, PERSONALLY/PHYSICALLY has to come back, or just to send some form of angels? As much power as he has, as the most powerful in the universe (and God IS the universe) why would he need to waste his time to come? Yes, he shall be watching and listening for prayers... Also, I said waste his "time," in which I should not have said, for there is no way to define time, or if time even exists. I am telling what I have done research on. These are all my thoughts about 2012-2015. These are not facts, at least not in mind. Also, yes, I believe in God as my savior. No, I do not come from a science perspective, NOR do I come from a religious perspective, because I truly believe science and religion should be as one, just as all existence. What is the point of a one-sided, never ending battle? No solution comes from, except for nothing...
One last point: God = Light. Everything in this universe is made of light. Therefore, God is the universe, and yes, there are different dimensional levels, as well as Heaven and Hell (two different dimensions, but one in the same).
At the end of the movie, they came out of those bodies, and as I have explained, those were "light" bodies. In this sense, it would mean they would be the same as Jesus/God coming down, but NO, I don't mean PHYSICALLY/LITERALLY. Point is... all is made of light, and God is light, correct? So, basically, those light beings were he energy created from God, or the energy IS God. All the same... In which is another form of God/Jesus coming as a savior.
END: Don't ask me, "Who the fuck do you think you are by saying all of this bullshit, you asswipe?"
WHO do "I" think I am?
I am who I am.
I am what I am..
I am that I am...
No, I am not that you think I am...
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We all have different opinions on the movie based on what we believe in. As a Christian, I can relate the movie to my faith. Indeed, it is not the end...our physical death here on this earth is not the end of everything... That God will give us eternal life if we only believed that His Son, Jesus Christ died for us and if we will have a personal relationship with Jesus, leading us to Christ-likeness. We all have different interpretations on the movie. It is really up to us on what kind of message do we want to get and learn from it. I'm just glad I was able to watch it! =)
As for whether it is christian propganda or naturalistic does it matter? Either way its the same outcome....we are saved.
Maybe the original bible writers mistook Aliens for Angels or maybe they understood that they were 'not of this world' and that is what an Angel is.
Im inclined to agree that God is the universe and light.
This movie just leaves questions that cant be answered....the nature of truth and belief. I can live with not knowing.....
p.s. im fed up of all this Christian endtime stuff what about other religions...? Oh wait they all get it!!!!
and the 2012 mayan prophecy is crap all they did was map out a complete cycle of the sun and it just happens to end in dec 2012.
The only good point that the movie made was that if disaster strikes the world is not prepared and that we rely to much on technology.
Plus we are actually in danger from the sun and a solar flare could weaken the ozone...
everyone died and and they couldnt even save a single life.
and wat about the kids. if they just take them to a place with trees does that just make things better. i mean they have to worry about food and everything.
plus they are just kids so they have to start over from the beginning. i dont even think they know how to make a fire. in my opinion the movie sucked, BIG TIME... bt thats just me.
-I feel like the author and director certainly wanted this movie to be a religious message. However, they had to be subtle enough in their message to allow for the movie to be entertaining and thought provoking for poeple who aren't Christian. I felt like they did a great job of walking that line.
-But, for someone who has an understanding of scripture, there were far too many parallels to ignore. I feel like the mistake some people make is in taking the events in the movie too literally. In reality, no one knows by what means God will take away His chosen, or how He will bring an end to this world. The way the movie played out is just the way the movie's creators chose to convey those ideas.
-Ezekiel 1 speaks of 4 heavenly beings who have wings. I feel like there is no doubt that in the author's mind, the "aliens" are angels. In fact, it seems like the head angel could even be looked at as a representation of Jesus (I still haven't made up my mind about that, but it's a thought). But again, the creators of the movie had to leave another interpretation available for those who don't want to look at the movie in a religious way.
-The spaceships can't be looked at literally be Christians. Again they are just the means that the author chose in order to walk that line and make the movie acceptable to multiple interpretations. But broadly speaking, the idea is that God is calling His chosen home (the rapture) before destroying the world.
-Finally, the world that the children are transported to seems meant to represent the New Jersualem spoken of in Revelation 21. It is a second chance at the world that God wanted before the fall of Adam. The tree is the Tree of Life. And even though only those two children are present in that world, that doesn't mean that the author is ruling out the later arrival of all the deceased believers (but again, that would cross the boundary and make the movie obviously religious for those who don't want to interpret it that way).
-Besides those main themes, the fact that Cage's father is a pastor, the way John 14:6 was incorporated in the final scene, and the last conversation between Cage and his father about how this isn't the end, makes it obvious that the movie was built around Christian ideas.
All in all I felt like this movie was a great Christian message in a world that makes a wide reaching message very difficult to get out through the media.
Anyway, my point... many Christians, or people in general regardless of religion, must forget that the people who apparently witnessed the events of creation, Jesus, angels, etc etc (all the good juicy stuff the Bible tells us about) lived off the land and road donkeys around. They didn't have the knowledge we have of religion, science and all the other great things we have discovered over the centuries. To many of them, religion hardly existed! So when 'angels' came down from heaven or Jesus performed a miracle, they described it best they could. If angels decended from a fireball and bright light in the sky, couldn't that mean some type of flying ship? Hell, picture Navy Seals being lowered from a helicopter with spotlights on it at night in Bethlehem around the time of Jesus. How do you think those people would describe something like that? Certainly not as Navy Seals coming down out of a helicopter! They probably would describe it as angels coming out of the sky from bright lights that's creating a hell of a lot of wind.
Add some fairytale stuff to those depictions of religious events as the Bible does (face it hardcore Christians... the Bible was perversed by the Catholic Church... it didn't even exist before midevil times), and all of a sudden everything has to be miracles and beyond our comprehension.
I look at it as this... religion IS science (as someone else pointed out). Science to people thousands of years ago was a religion. It was interpreted over the course of the last couple thousand years in a way for people to relate to it more, to give it a more human feel. If you had no understanding of modern technology and lived in a mud hut living off the land as people did hundreds and thousands of years ago, if a 'spaceship' were to come down and the 'people' told you not to listen to the snake and not to eat the apple, how would you describe that? There was no such thing as 'aliens' to those people. They had no comprehension that beings could in fact inhabit other worlds and be leaps and bounds ahead of them when it comes to technology. They didn't even know what technology is!
To them, it was simply a MIRACLE! When these angels came to visit, they came from the clouds... from the sky. Hence the belief heaven must be up in the sky. They usually came with all sorts of bright lights, fireballs, etc. To modern man, sounds like a flying craft to me (UFO, spaceship, whatever... could have been a helicopter full of Navy Seals with dual parachutes... or 'wings'!!... lol).
At the end of the day, I don't believe heaven is some spiritual place that only exists in some other puffy cloud dimension up in the sky. I believe in God, in Jesus, in angels and in Heaven. I just feel they're superior beings who just don't magically pop up wherever and whenever they want to, as many Christians would tend to believe. I believe heaven is a physical place (a planet out in the cosmos somewhere-- conversely, hell could very well be a planet too... one with serious volcanic activity... haha), God is in charge of heaven-- the center of our universe-- and oversees the rest of the universe. Did he magically just put us here with the snap of his fingers? I for one doubt that... probably more like sent some of his people (angels) out on a mission to find a suitable planet yes, in some sort of ship to travel from point-A to point-B. They found Earth, dropped a couple of beings in their form down for some prospecting and called them Adam and Eve and gave them a few rules and promised to check in from time to time. God checks up on us a lot, as the bible documents, and it's not by just seeing what we're doing in his head. It's probably by monitoring us with their technology... UFO's... spaceships... whatever you want to call it.
Problem is now, we understand more about the potential existence of 'aliens' and for them to come down and talk to us would frighten us too much because of our understanding, or 'knowing'. Our knowledge and interpretation of what our ancestors have taught us about religion have closed our minds to the ideas that, yes, maybe supreme beings (aliens) are in fact the angels our ancestors speak of because, well, they didn't know how else to describe them!
What I don't like to think about is the fact that we as a species can now play god. We've gone from horse and buggy to walking on the moon and exploring other planets with our technology in just 100 years. What's to say we won't be exploring other solar systems 100 years from now, manned mission, and we don't clone a couple humans (as we can now), drop them on a habitable planet and give them the same rules God gave us.
Pretty scary thought. Know the whole bit about God taking a rib from Adam in his sleep to create Eve? Sounds like DNA cloning to me! If God was so powerful and magical, why would he need a rib from Adam? Couldn't he just snap his fingers and create a companion for Adam? My point is, there has to be a reasonable explanation for everything as I think this lesson of Adam and Eve clearly demonstrates.
So I have it both ways, I'm a devout Christian that simply believes that God and his kingdom of heaven and angels just happen to be superior places and beings spiritually, physically and technologically. Nothing more, nothing less. If we're lucky enough to move onto that place we'll be blessed with finally understanding all that it is we as mortals question.
One last parting note to twist a few more minds as I depart... remember how I said Heaven and Hell are probably physical places, planets just like Earth?
Well, perhaps Earth is really Purgatory... where those who need to prove they're worthy to be accepted into God's kingdom of heaven are left to be judged (as the bible teaches us). Isn't that what all Christians do in this life?
Just a thought:)
Maybe it's lesson is this... perhaps we as a species have gotten too far away from the teachings of God and have embraced technology to the point where our newfound and continuing understanding of universe 'scientifically' have taken us to a point that God never meant or wanted us to get to. That by doing so, we've started to crack the secrets and mysteries of the heavens and God himself. By 'knowing' and beginning to understand these things, we may in fact be threatening our very existence and survival.
If you think about it, all that technology has done has taken us away from the teachings of God. Technology has caused wars, is used to attain material wealth, is used to oppress and govern others. As a byproduct, technology is destroying our natural environment... God's probably not too happy about that, either. Now we're playing God by cloning animals and if not already, eventually people. We use technology to disrupt the natural progression of life itself by saving lives with medical treatments, procedures and medicine. This is probably not at all what God intended us to do. Disrupting natural progression is in fact interfering with the will of God, is it not? If we believe in the teachings of the bible that is.
Perhaps that's why many peoples around the world do not embrace technology... the Amish for example.
Maybe with the progression of technology, we're understanding more of God's secrets and will eventually physically encounter his realm by exploring the heavens and further disrupting the progressional will for us that God intended.
I'm starting to believe that's exactly what the film is leading us to believe. I mean, why forecast all of the disasters? Did anyone stop to think that it wasn't just forecasting, but pointing out what all it is that God is not happy with us about? All of the disasters we're arguably a result of our technology... and God intended for those disasters to happen as a lesson for our insistence in further advancements in science and technology... for us understanding and 'knowing' too much and using those advances and knowledge to benefit some and oppress others. By not learning from those lessons and further continuing to understand more, that he has to ultimately bring it all to an end... armageddon, if you will.
God won't snap his fingers and wipe us all out in that event, a disaster on a scale of killer solar flares (as the movie depicted), a super-nova, earth killing asteroid impact, super volcano or nuclear war will be the way he perhaps brings it to an end. Those events would be the result of a snap of God's fingers.
In the film, why did God only save the young children and not let Nick Cage go with them? Because children are innocent. They don't know any better... they don't use technology to exploit themselves or God's teachings. In the end, those that do, had to face the consequences. Adults, basically.
The film raises a lot of questions and is certainly controversial... but I for one have found it to be extremely thought provoking and teach some very important underlying lessons.
At the same time, well hey, maybe like Cage said in the movie, he just believes sh*t just happens. Maybe our own imaginations have gotten us into debating these topics. Who knows.
Guess it's just a matter of faith and again, I believe in faith and in God. Just believe there's a logical explanation for it all and by beginning to understand that explanation, or 'knowing', it could be detrimental to our very survival.
I'm gonna sleep well tonight.
What about angels that know the future, visit people in their bedrooms at night and whisper to them (much less looking through their bedroom window!), look over our shoulders (guardian angels), take people momentarily into the heavens to warn them of impending danger or to enlighten them in the teachings and will of God (alien abduction, anybody?)?
Have you seen an angel? Sounds like your quote describes what we (Christians) believe to be angels in not so flattering terms.
I think you're missing the point of the movie. The aliens are not aliens, they're actually angels. If you look at it in that light, the movie will make more sense.
Furthermore, throughout history, the art and paintings of our ancestors usually ALWAYS depict some kind of craft in the heavens when portraying angels or God. Why would that be? Could it be they're depicting their means of transportation? That's all debatable, but the fact is those images do exist and they do depict strange things in the sky accompanying the angels or God. It's what they saw or what the artist understood those events as happening based on the descriptions of the people who witnessed those events. It HAS to be something to it. There HAS to be an explanation.
Why is it that the idea that those objects described by our ancestors could be the means the angels traveled to us? Yes, UFO's. All alien means is anyone who does not belong in the environment in which they are found. If an angel appeared to me in my bedroom glowing with wings floating above my bed, I would most certainly call that alien!
I think part of the point of the movie is, the 'aliens' are angels. It seems everyone has the images of angels Michaelangelo portrays in his art as what they're supposed to look like.
God even says in the bible, angels walk among us, unknowingly to us. They're not going to be dressed in white togas barefooted with big fluffy wings on their backs and a seemingly gold ray of light circling their heads. We'd be able to point them out in a heartbeat otherwise, duh. They'll take on our form, only communicating with those that won't freak out and wind up in a mental hospital. IE-- children, in the case of this movie.
But hey, that's just my two cents. I like to think with a healthy dose of common sense.
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This film does a great job of showing an afterlife and I think is fair at portraying John's father, the pastor, as knowing his destination. It also gives us hope as God is in control and wants us to have that assurance.
Where it does fall short is from a purely Christian message as some have thought. It does not talk about God's grace thru His son nor does it mention anything about who will be together in the afterlife.
But, I still liked it and think it could be an excellent basis for some meaningful conversations with those wanting to know the whole truth.
I think that if someone weren't a student of multiple religions they would miss much of the story and it would begin to seem lame. It would be like watching a foreign film without the subtitles. You might get some of the story line but miss most of the depth of meaning and feeling associated with just the raw events passing by on the screen.
I fear many of the respondents have missed much of the story. I really enjoyed the film as it traveled through these different religions and philosophies. It was packed with imagery and references that were enjoyable to see portrayed on film.
Religion has nothing to do with it or God.
why did they have to travel in a space ship if they were angels? Again, the way I interpreted that was angelic spirit beings described in the Bible are really highly evolved creatures.
There is no God without evidence !
please seek help, i know everybody has been told there is a god because when you die, your dust.
The end.
So, if the physical earth were destroyed, what would be left for the meek to inherit?
Here's the deal: in ancient Hebrew and Greek you had one word to mean more than one idea. The word 'earth' could represent the physical earth or 'the world' in terms of the populace of mankind. The latter form of the word is used when the Bible talks about the destruction of 'earth'.
So, true to Ps. 37:10, 11, the Bible actually says that wicked mankind will be destroyed, while the physical earth itself will remain in place for the meek to inherit.
That's where the Garden of Eden comes back in to place (and where the movie pulls its ending from). In the Bible, the instruction was given to subdue the earth and turn it into a paradisaic place to live like Eden, i.e., expand Eden beyond its then-current borders.
If you study the Bible from top to bottom, you quickly realize that this original purpose of making the entire earth a paradise for mankind never changes. It's this idea of mankind being given a chance to complete that original purpose that marks this movie's end. Too bad it was on the wrong planet. :)
I guess to them it was the whole world.
Your the first that said something to me without any negative feed back... hmmmm.
Thanks for the education!
Steve :)
1.GREG
you think too much. its a damn movie, your probably 40 sitting in a bathrobe waiting for people to disagree with you.
2.NICK CAGE
obviously you are a fattie because you talk about food. and you have absolutely no tase in movies.
3.ATOMIC POPCORN
your justa jerk because you stole matthew's picture, so you already suck.
4.JANE DOE
have you waited all your life to write a review on this?damn you wrote a book!
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